Quid Pro Quo: Salesforce & Salesforce Consulting Partners

We commonly get asked the following questions in varying forms:
- Is The Negotiator Guru (TNG) a Salesforce Partner? Are you on the AppExchange?
- What are the differences between TNG and a Salesforce Partner?
- Why can’t my Salesforce Partner advise me on the best possible rates/products for my Salesforce environment?
Before we get into the specific answers to the above questions, let us share a brilliant unsolicited quote from one of our recent multinational clients regarding the motivational differences between TNG and a Salesforce Partner:
Expecting a registered Salesforce Partner listed on the AppExchange to give you completely impartial advice on Salesforce pricing is like expecting a court room prosecutor to share their notes with the defense before every trial.
Why, you might ask? The answer is simple: All Salesforce Consulting Partners have an unavoidable conflict of interest with their clients. Why? Because of the inherent need for these “Partners” to make both their client and Salesforce happy. In this article we’re going to cover this conflict of interest and why TNG is different. Salesforce Partners Always Have
Two Clients (and one isn’t you) Salesforce Partners have two customers:
- You the client; and,
- Your Salesforce account management team (hereby collectively referred to as “Salesforce”)
The fact of the matter is that your Salesforce Partner is, by design, incentivized to keep both its client and Salesforce happy. The difficult truth is that you, the customer, are the least important of the two clients. Yes indeed, more often than not, your Salesforce Partner has a greater long-term interest in keeping Salesforce happy. Yes, we know this sounds horrible, but we hope you appreciate our directness here. Let’s dig into two key, but interrelated, reasons:
1. Business Relationships
Your Salesforce Partner focuses heavily on keeping a strong business relationship with Salesforce. Why? Because Salesforce is their single most effective sales channel to acquire new business. When Salesforce identifies a new or existing client that needs custom development work, they have the entire Salesforce Partner community to consider when providing a recommendation to their customer. Naturally, those Salesforce Partners that are “supportive” to their sales process will be referred more and more business.
2. Money
More referrals = more business = more money. Back in the 18th century Edmund Burke once said “…never bite the hands that feed you.” Presenting this differently, if you were a Salesforce Account Executive and you had a Salesforce Partner repeatedly suggest changes to an account that materially decreased your sales compensation revenue, would you continue using that Partner when you have others options available? To be clear; we are not saying that all Salesforce Account Executives are unethical in how they conduct business. However, we are stating that there is an inherent fundamental conflict of interest for the Salesforce Partner who commercially needs to appease both parties. The unfortunate situation is that while a Salesforce Partner may know a customer is being sold more products and/or services than they actually need, they rarely speak up for the reasons above. We’ve even been told there is an informal blacklist inside of Salesforce that keeps track of these Partners that raise cost avoidance opportunities during the sales process. We don’t like writing about this topic but we know every customer wants the truth.
Why TNG is different
Quite simply we are only focused on keeping you, the client, happy. When the firm was founded we only included a “pay for performance” compensation option to ensure our incentives were aligned with the client. Over the years, we added an “advisory fixed fee” option purely based on repeated client requests.
TNG’s Right Size & Right Price Process
Part of our secret sauce is a deep focus and understanding on 1) how Salesforce works, 2) you as a customer, and 3) best practices on how to quickly drive savings in your environment. While strategic negotiation is an art, our Right Size & Right Price process is more of a science based on its repeatability across all industries.

The Right Size process
focuses on identifying consumption based savings opportunities within your organization.
Our three most commonly identified opportunities within this process are:
- “shelfware” elimination
- license optimization
- governance enhancement. On average, we identify 24% savings opportunity within this process alone.
The Right Price process purely focuses on your product and service price points within your specific Salesforce contract. The vast majority of our clients reach out to us for this service alone. Specifically, they want to know how their prices compare to their peers and if they’re getting a “good deal.” We have the largest database of Salesforce rates in the world and can quite easily identify if there is a price optimization opportunity within your various SKUs. Unlike other large market intelligence firms, we are able to isolate your realistic “should cost” price points based on your industry, annual revenue, and annual contract value. The others simply will share a “best in class” rate which is ambiguous and often self-serving. On average, we identify a 22% savings opportunity here but your specific opportunity could be as high as 305% (yes, this was a real client). Fit-for-Purpose Engagement Style The Founder of TNG, Dan Kelly, feels strongly about providing our clients options on how they engage our firm depending on each individual client’s needs. Some clients want a “negotiation-as-a-service” approach while others simply want the output of our Right Price process to identify target price benchmarks to use within their own negotiations. We welcome you to start a conversation with our firm to determine how we can most effectively and efficiently support you.
Summary
To recap, here are the basic points of what we’ve covered in this article:
- Your Salesforce Partner has motivation to keep both you and Salesforce happy;
- They aren’t able to easily share cost savings opportunities with you in fear of losing future opportunities with other Salesforce customers;
- The Negotiator Guru is only focused on driving cost savings for you by negotiating with Salesforce, the client;
- We have a proprietary negotiation process that includes both the art of negotiation and the science of opportunity creation inside of your Salesforce organization,
- On average, we save clients 20-50% on their Salesforce annual expenses through our Right Size and Right Price process; and,
- On SELA Agreements (Salesforce Enterprise License Agreement), we typically generate a 41.3% savings for our clients.
- We only accept clients within our full negotiation service where we know we can make a huge impact.
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From Fortune 500 giants to fast-growing innovators, TNG has helped clients save 20% – 40%+ on enterprise software contracts — even when they thought it was impossible

Inc. Magazine Unveils Its First-Ever List of the Midwest’s Fastest-Growing Private Companies— The Inc. 5000 Series: Midwest
The Negotiator Guru Ranks No. 15 on the inaugural 2020 Inc. 5000 Series: Midwest
NEW YORK, March 25, 2020 – Inc. magazine today revealed that The Negotiator Guru is No.15 on its inaugural Inc. 5000 Series: Midwest list, the most prestigious ranking of the fastest-growing private companies in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.
Born of the annual Inc. 5000 franchise, this regional list represents a unique look at the most successful companies within the Midwest economy’s most dynamic segment—its independent small businesses.
“We’re honored to be recognized in the Inc. 5000 list as one of the fastest growing private companies in the Midwest,” said Dan Kelly, Founder and Senior Partner. The Negotiator Guru also ranked #2 in the state of Minnesota and #5 in the category of Business Products and Services. “Our success is a direct result of the value we’ve delivered with, and for, our global enterprise client base. Congratulations to the TNG team!”
The companies on this list show stunning rates of growth across all industries in the 12 Midwest states. Between 2016 and 2018, these 250 private companies had an average growth rate of 360 percent and, in 2018 alone, they employed more than 27,000 people and added $13 billion to the Midwest’s economy. Companies based in the Chicago, Detroit, and Cincinnati areas brought in the highest revenue overall. Complete results of the Inc. 5000 Series: Midwest, including company profiles and an interactive database that can be sorted by industry, metro area, and other criteria, can be found here starting March 25, 2020.
“The companies on this list demonstrate just how much the small-business sector impacts the economies of each Midwest state,” says Inc. editor in chief Scott Omelianuk. “Across every single industry, these businesses have posted revenue and growth rates that are beyond impressive, further proving the tenacity of their founders and CEOs.”
About The Negotiator Guru
The Negotiator Guru is the leading advisory firm for Salesforce contract negotiation. Our team of Senior IT Sourcing Experts provides industry leading IT contract negotiation services for a global client base. Clients engage us to source, negotiate, and manage highly complex IT contracts, transactions and suppliers. Through our deep business understanding and senior expert negotiation skills, we work closely with clients to deliver immediate and long-lasting financial impact to all stakeholders.
Founded in 2015, The Negotiator Guru is a private company based in Minneapolis, Minnesota. For more information, visit www.thenegotiator.guru. More about Inc. and the Inc.
5000 Regional Series
Methodology
The 2020 Inc. 5000 Regional Series is ranked according to percentage revenue growth when comparing 2016 and 2018. To qualify, companies must have been founded and generating revenue by March 31, 2016. They had to be U.S.-based, privately held, for profit, and independent—not subsidiaries or divisions of other companies—as of December 31, 2018. (Since then, a number of companies on the list have gone public or been acquired.) The minimum revenue required for 2016 is $100,000; the minimum for 2018 is $1 million. As always, Inc. reserves the right to decline applicants for subjective reasons.
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About Inc. Media
The world’s most trusted business-media brand, Inc. offers entrepreneurs the knowledge, tools, connections, and community to build great companies. Its award-winning multiplatform content reaches more than 50 million people each month across a variety of channels including websites, newsletters, social media, podcasts, and print. Its prestigious Inc. 5000 list, produced every year since 1982, analyzes company data to recognize the fastest-growing privately held businesses in the United States. The global recognition that comes with inclusion in the 5000 gives the founders of the best businesses an opportunity to engage with an exclusive community of their peers, and the credibility that helps them drive sales and recruit talent. The associated Inc. 5000 Conference is part of a highly acclaimed portfolio of bespoke events produced by Inc. For more information, visit www.inc.com.

Why are Companies Hesitant to Engage Outside Consultants?
Why is it that companies are sometimes resistant to engaging with a cost savings firm like The Negotiator Guru (TNG)? Furthermore, why is it that a company refuses to engage with an advisory firm (like TNG) after they know there is a guaranteed ROI? Is there any rational reason for this or is it purely an emotional response?We at TNG find ourselves asking these questions far too often…
We know humans can be complicated (😊), but we wanted to dig deeper into what sometimes appears to be irrational behavior that negates shareholder value creation opportunities. As a result, we conducted ethnographic research on the cause of this behavior with the intent of identifying key trends, by persona. Here are a few of the key insights we discovered:
- IT Leadership (CIO, VP of IT, etc.) fears they will hurt the relationship with the software publisher/service provider leading to service degradation.
- Purchasing/Procurement/Sourcing representatives have huge egos and thrive on taking credit internally. Furthermore, they are worried about their job security if someone else can achieve a greater result.
- CFOs think they only way to achieve such savings is by changing vendors (ex: Salesforce to Microsoft) or by cutting products/services.
- Business leadership think it will take too much time to achieve the prospective savings which will negate the realized ROI.
- Executives at publicly traded companies are generally risk adverse and think it’s safer to use a big 4 consulting firm (that’s already “in the system”) even though they will likely cost more and achieve much less (since they’re a generalist vs. specialist).
We’ve heard different variations of these key objections for years. What makes us most proud is that some of this feedback came from a few of our past clientele who decided to overcome their natural resistance as they knew what was best for their organization. Per the recommendation of these past customer respondents, we've outlined what they experienced (vs. initial perceived resistance):
- Vendor Relationship – While it may be slightly uncomfortable at the beginning (depending on how much Right Sizing and/or Right Pricing opportunities TNG identifies), the vendor relationship and service quality improves at the conclusion of the TNG engagement. The vendor is engaged with the customer in a strategic manner and the customer can now feel confident they are only paying for what they need at a fair price.
- Procurement Job Security – TNG acts like a force multiplier for existing Procurement teams. As such, TNG simply seeks to enable high impact results vs. seek credit.
- Vendor/Product Change – Vendor changes are extremely rare. TNG simply identifies how internal stakeholders use the respective software platform (via their proprietary persona analysis) and identifies cost savings opportunities without sacrificing functionality/service quality.
- Time/Cost to Achieve – Internal business stakeholders are rarely involved in the process after the Discovery phase is complete.
- Niche vs. Generalist – The speed and consistency in which TNG can delivery results is a direct result of their focus and dedication focusing on their core competency, such as Salesforce.
Interestingly, our analysis identified the following key insights regarding business leaders' intention for engaging an outside advisory firm (summarized for brevity):
- IT Leadership sometimes feel uncomfortable being the “tough voice,” so they hire a 3rd party who brings the credentials to speak from an authoritative position.
- C-Suite Executives simply want to motivate (prove to) their Procurement/Business Teams that the “great deal on the table” is not so great after all.
- Procurement leadership wants to be armed with accurate price benchmarking or contract term knowledge. They recognize they can’t be experts in everything and value niche expertise from specialists vs. generalists.
- Board members want to do anything possible to reinforce their fiduciary duty to their shareholders…this includes identifying, and executing on, every available cost savings opportunity.
- Contract negotiators want to understand the software publisher’s sales playbook and internal incentive process…not just general market intelligence.
We hope that you find these key insights helpful as you contemplate and reflect on your own personal resistance to engaging an outside advisory firm. TNG prides itself to make every engagement as risk-free as possible for our clients. Furthermore, TNG will only accept a client if we know there is a major impact opportunity…if not, we will simply give you some free advice. Ready to explore joining the TNG family? Contact us today to set-up a client intake assessment where we identify your cost savings opportunity for free!

Why Salesforce Commerce Cloud Negotiations are Different
What is Commerce Cloud
The Salesforce Commerce Cloud is one of the fastest growing segments within the Salesforce ecosystem of products and services. The Commerce Cloud provides an enterprise grade e-commerce solution that which is a direct competitor to e-commerce heavyweights including, but not limited to; Shopify, Magento (Adobe), SAP, Oracle, just to name a few.
Since about 2018, Salesforce has highlighted the e-commerce cloud as a strategic growth channel for its existing customers. In other words, Salesforce has focused on deploying their “land and expand” sales strategies to deploy the e-commerce platform amongst its Sales and Service Cloud customers. There are clearly significant customer experience opportunities that can be enabled when e-commerce is connected directly to your CRM. Ironically, the TNG team is engaged by both new and existing Salesforce customers to assist with commercial negotiations related to the on-ramp and off-ramp of Commerce Cloud. Our clients seem to either love or hate the Salesforce Commerce Cloud depending on their specific use case. No matter where you land on the love/hate spectrum, it’s important to understand key negotiation opportunities/risks that are specific to the Salesforce Commerce Cloud.
History of SF Commerce Cloud
Salesforce acquired Demandware on June 1st, 2016 for $2.8 Billion USD. Some say that Salesforce was “forced” into the acquisition based on a synergistic customer portfolio (with Demandware), a lackluster homegrown solution filled with development challenges, and a competitor landscape (including Oracle, Adobe, etc.) who were making significant strides in the space.

In our opinion, Salesforce acquired Demandware primarily to purchase a pre-existing retail customer base that can be cross-sold Salesforce native functionality like Sales and Service Cloud. Salesforce had historically been lacking both North American and European retail customer penetration so this allowed an easy on-ramp. Fast forward to 2021 and Salesforce is still lagging (compared to their normal market penetration) in retail customer acquisition globally. Furthermore, we have seen many legacy Demandware customers transition away from the Salesforce Commerce Cloud and migrate over to easier-to-use platforms like Shopify. Having the e-commerce competitive landscape in mind is important when exploring/negotiation a commercial relationship with Salesforce either as a new or existing customer.
Why these negotiations are different
Salesforce typically organizes their sales team by industry, region, and product line (cloud). Their sales team incentives are consistently changing but are largely established by industry and product line. Furthermore, customer pricing is influenced based on industry, annual contract value, and customer revenue. To be most effective at any commercial negotiation it’s important to have as much data as possible. This includes identifying the supplier’s interests and best-in-class rates on a product-by-product basis based on your unique footprint. We call this our Right Price Benchmarking service which is included as part of our Full Negotiation Service or also offered as a standalone product for those that just want the data. Salesforce, and for that matter all e-commerce solution providers, are fully aware that switching costs from one e-commerce platform to another is an undesirable expense. They know that once they get you onto their platform that you will need to be really upset to create a reason to leave. The fact of the matter is that plenty of customers do leave Salesforce’s Commerce Cloud for one or multiple reasons. Our research, and real client experiences, have identified one consistent trend amongst those looking to leave: Out of control run costs. No matter whether you’re a new or existing customer to Salesforce it’s important to be as prepared as possible when engaging Salesforce. Take a look at the section below for some key insights specifically related to negotiating a Salesforce Commerce Cloud contract.
Key Insights/Tips
Now that you understand the history and key motivations related to Salesforce’s Commerce Cloud you should be able to apply the below key insights most effectively.
- Salesforce is heavily focused on capture net new retail customers. Your Salesforce sales team is heavily incentivized to find and convert customers on existing e-commerce platforms.
- If you are a current Salesforce customer and exploring the Commerce Cloud, be focused on “lift and shift” credits from Salesforce that help mitigate any change costs. Depending on your situation, you can negotiate credits to be applied immediately, over the contract term, via discounts on other products, etc.
- It’s very important you conduct a thorough assessment of your options and the overall total cost of ownership impact of your potential options. For example, a one-time credit on the Commerce Cloud license fees may produce far lass benefit to your organization than a % discount on your existing license footprint with Salesforce.
- It’s important to understand who has decision-making authority inside of Salesforce. It largely depends on what you’re asking for, the overall relationship impact, and the attractiveness of you the customer. The only way to successful navigate the Salesforce ecosystem is to hire a firm that deals with Salesforce everyday and has ex-Salesforce employees (excuse the shameful TNG plug).
- Literally 90% of current Salesforce customers that engage TNG are paying for more digital capability than they need. Those same customers are also overpaying for licenses that that they don’t even need. It’s very important you conduct a Right Sizing assessment to ensure you’re only procuring what you need.
- Specific to Commerce Cloud, this includes forecasting your Gross Merchandise Value (GMV) projections for each contract year.
- Similar to the above point, our research empirically proved that 100% of our customers (no matter new or existing Salesforce customers) have committed to higher revenue targets than needed in the interest of “getting the best deal” without TNG support;
- This creates a material risk to the Salesforce customer when they don’t hit those targets.
- Generally speaking, a longer contract term will drive a lower GMV price point;
- Even if you feel very confident in your GMV projections, focus on usage and price-point flexibility within your Commerce Cloud contract to eliminate surprises and capture cost savings if revenue actuals exceed projections.
- Note: If you are in an industry that is undergoing significant industry consolidation (M&A activity) then you should provide yourself the flexibility to acquire and/or divest mid-contract with Salesforce.
Negotiating with Salesforce is more of an art than a science. It’s important that you understand all of the facts before negotiating with Salesforce. Please feel free to contact us for some additional helpful tips as you start to explore the Salesforce Commerce Cloud. (And yes, we’re happy to help even if you’re in the 19th hour of negotiations 😊)

